it's a false debate about whether or not government works. the thing that i thought was important last night about biden and the reason that we cut that sound bite as long as we did there, so you can hear what biden says, is that he doesn't just say, ah, you're a hypocrite, you wanted this money. he say, you wanted this money because as you argued to me, this spending works. it would work in your district. if you believe it would work in your district, how could you argue it wouldn't work in the country? >> and as you argued in 2002 when you got up in the well of the house and made an impassioned argument for keynesian stimulus, by george w. bush, and when you voted for $700 billion in stimulus, $700 billion in stimulus which was the republican stimulus package that was passed by -- that was voted on by the republicans in the house, in parallel to the actual recovery act. so, again, they can't -- what they want to do now in opposition is create this ideological vision of smaller government, of going after malformed bureaucracies. when they ar